[Buddha-l] Re: japanese zen terms: honbun and shusho

[Elihu Smith]

In Zen practice approaches such as Eido Shimano
Roshi's one can translate "honbun" as "intrinsic" and
"shusho" as "experiential." As noted, it can also be
"absolute" and "relative" - often these terms are used
when this is related to "The Five Ranks" or "Five
Positions."

Best,

Elihu

> 
> c> I thought the same thing. So I looked through my
> copy of the Awakening
> c> of Faith (Hakeda's) and could find no reference
> to either "honbun" or
> c> "shusho". Hakeda simply uses the terms "suchness"
> "absolute" and 
> c> "tathtata" - in fact I couldn't find any Japanese
> (or Sino-Japanese,
> c> which is what I assume both of these words are)
> terms that seemed 
> c> relevant. Neither term appears in the glossary or
> the index. Damian
> c> Keown's "Dictionary of Buddhism" also doesn't
> list either term.
> 
> yes... maybe that master used another words to
> explain same thing.
> In Muller's dictionary there is a reference to
> honbun ƒzƒ“ƒuƒ“
> with close meaning to essence in Buddha-nature:
> 
>  [py] ben3fen4 [wg] pen-fen [ko] ponbun [ja]
> ƒzƒ“ƒuƒ“ honbun |||
>  'Original  Share' (in Buddhahood). The aspect of
> the human being as
>  being  originally endowed with the Buddha-nature.
> 
>
http://www.buddhism-dict.net/cgi-bin/xpr-ddb.pl?67.xml+id('b672c-5206')
>  
> about shusho, I cannot find it.
> 
> 
>