[Buddha-l] Pudgalavada

[L.S. Cousins]

Stephen,

>>Firstly, what is prajñapti of appropriation ? Is this rendering 
>>upaadaaya prajñapti ? Or, something more like the Pali 
>>upaadaapaññatti ?
>There is no way of deciding apart from informed inference.  Chinese 
>often doesn't convey those differences.  The character "shou" could 
>cover all variants of upadaana -- it is also widely used elsewhere 
>for "vedanaa". This might give you an idea of the problems involved 
>with Chinese texts.  A lot of guesswork based on context.  You are 
>probably as well-placed as anbody to decide, but I think it is less 
>likely to be "upaadaaya" as that is often expressed differently.
>
>>I would take upaadaa(ya) as just meaning 'in relation to' or 'in 
>>dependence upon'. It doesn't appropriate them.
>I suspect it could be something like "upadaana" as in "upadaana-skandha"

How is upaadaaruupa handled in early translations ?

>I wonder how "upanidhaa" might get distorted in some Prakrits -- the 
>Sammitiyas were said to use Apabhramsha at a later stage and we all 
>know what fun Apabhramsha can be (eg: "uaaa" for "upaaya").   I also 
>find it useful to think of the scripts used -- with the well-known 
>possibilities for mis-reading certain letters -- "ya" being one of 
>them.

Sheth's Prakrit Dictionary has: uva.nihaa, but there are other 
possibilities for Gaandhaarii or indeed Apabhra.m"sa.

>>In that case, the text is giving illustrations of ignorance 
>>concerning relative or comparative terms, in this case 'past',
>>'present' and so on.
>I would have thought they were more concerned here with the problem 
>of continuity / non-continuity of an individual over the three 
>times, rather than the three times themselves.  Or have I 
>misunderstood you ?.   See Thien Chau p162 for another, more 
>detailed, source.

What I have is a xerox of his thesis. Perhaps the pagination doesn't 
correspond to what you have ? I don't find anything on  p. 162.

Lance