[Buddha-l] Tozan's blue mountain and white cloud
benitocd at yahoo.es
Fri Apr 18 01:37:21 MDT 2008
On Thursday, April 17, 2008, Dan Lusthaus wrote:
> This is from the Record of Tung-shan (Dongshan).
Thank you for the info, Dan.
I assume that Suzuki roshi just offered his own
interpretation of this dialogue. I can't see how
Dongshan's word could match his reading, but that's a
BTW, Charles Luk provides the following notes to the
Blue mountain symbolizes the imutable and
unchanging self-nature which produces all
phenomena, including the white clouds which are
always changing. That which is not luxuriant is
the self-nature or host which is neither
luxuriant nor scanty.
The phenomenal knows nothing about east,
symbol of host, and west, symbol of guest.
The white clouds, representing shadows or
appearances, exist because of the blue
mountain, or self-nature. Like a shadow which
cannot stray from an object to exist of itself,
the phenomenal cannot exist in the absence of
the noumenal which creates it.
The self-nature is indifferent to all
appearances which are created by it.
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