[Buddha-l] Kashyapa question

Piya Tan dharmafarer at gmail.com
Fri Apr 17 03:06:53 MDT 2009

Dear Mitchell,

Shen-hui is one of the darkest shadows of Chinese Buddhism, indeed, in
the history of Buddhism.

One of my favourite writers on Shenhui is John McRae. You will find
details in the biblio in my write-up on "How Buddhism Became Chinese"


Best wishes,

Piya Tan

On 4/17/09, Bob Zeuschner <rbzeuschner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> Hi Mitchell --
> Sorry for the delay in responding to your question.
> As far as I know, the "Flower Sermon" is the invention of Ho-tse
> Shen-hui, an 8th century student of Hui-neng.
> Shen-hui invented much of Ch'an history, especially the mythical
> connection of Ch'an to India.
> I hope this helps.
> Bob Zeuschner
> Dept. of Philosophy
> Mitchell Ginsberg wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> The furthest back I have been able to track the flower-holding story down
>> is to a little work said to be by Bodhidharma (in Chinese), Xuemailun,
>> where
>> Kashyapa is mentioned as the only one to "get it." As for the explicit
>> story
>> itself, I find it in two texts of the eleventh century CE (1000s), and
>> then in
>> later works...
>> Questions for anyone:
>> 1. Are there any Indic sources for this story (and if so from what
>> age/time)?
>> 2. What is the earliest recounting of this flower-demonstration teaching
>> (in
>> Chinese, or another language)?
>> Thank you, everyone.
>> Mitchell G.
>> ==========
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