[Buddha-l] Another One Bites the Dust
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Mon Mar 4 12:50:37 MST 2013
I'm thinking men... self-control and men... Men can do better than this.
I'm also thinking that we are living in a time where this type of statement
by Batchelor either needs to be conclusively backed up or seriously
questioned: "2. Wherever people are in a position of power over other
people, it is inevitable that some will use that power to pursue and
fulfill their own sexual desires." Seriously?! Where does that 'inevitable'
come from other than conviction and (research) to confirm or justify that
I really resonate with Ford on this one: "We need Zen teachers in
succession who see themselves not as magical inheritors but as long time
students entrusted with a terrible and beautiful responsibility." Zen
teachers and all teachers for that matter.
And I am thinking Sita sings the Blues... a wonderful, free, creative, long
documentary which you can all check out here:
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On 4 March 2013 20:37, Richard Hayes <richard.hayes.unm at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 2013, at 11:15 , Jo <ugg-5 at spro.net> wrote:
> > Celibacy is also unnecessary because it began in antque and later ages
> to be instituted to prevent hanky panky and therefore loss of dana and
> reputation of an order.
> I think the most likely rationale for requiring celibacy in the early days
> was that followers of religious communities were beggars (bhikṣu), and the
> feeling was that people with dependents should not be claiming to be
> renunciants of the worldly life and therefore entitled to beg for a living.
> As George W. Bush and the Buddha agreed, the best way to avoid having
> dependent children was to abstain from sexual activity altogether. That is
> one consideration. The other, of course, is that breaking free of all
> desires was seen as necessary for liberation from saṃsāra. Since food and
> sex were seen as the strongest objects of desire, it made sense to limit
> food and eliminate sex from the lifestyles of those in earnest pursuit of
> Americans nowadays don't much like celibacy, partly because they don't
> much like begging (because they read Ralph Waldo Emerson's "Self-reliance"
> at an impressionable age) and partly because frankly, Scarlett, they don't
> give a damn about nirvāṇa.
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