Musing about Joy's nostalgia for the 'Unconditioned' a quote [very late Wittgenstein] pops up in my mind : "Wer nichts hofft und nichts fuerchtet, dem entgleitet die Welt." ; that is : "for one who has no hopes or fears the worlds drops away". That may be the only realistic way to transcendence. Some people close to death seem to get that far. Herman